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The morning after the night before...and please give the value back to the MVP label.

Roy clarifies his position on the whole Rory thing...(incidentally, Rory, I tried to email you but it bounced back)

My response, well, I posted an ill concieved post yesterday about the whole debacle which I have since withdrawn. Here's the response only response I'm willing to give on the whole thing - I will not enter into a debate on this - sorry!

I will never be made an MVP - so I have no vested interest in this apart from the desire to form a strong .NET community.

Sad thing is, the MVP title is worth something it's just not transparent enough and the few bad ones can tend to sour the whole barrel. It would be really nice if the community was more involved in the selection of MVPs and once they were announced, the reason for the selection was made more public.
Some current MVPs do seem to have been awarded for purely PR / other reasons - I hate to say, bribe but for some it does look that way. So, what does everyone think, should this be more open? Do you think that writing a book should justify you being made an MVP? 
So someone who wasn't an MVP got to go (probably a few people if truth be told, just that Rory blabbed). Unfortunately, this kind of thing does leave a bad taste - not because I  have anything against Rory. Problem is, building a community; something which seems to meet Microsofts' current PR aims; requires trust, it has to have leaders of course but those leaders must be seen as having earned that position once you single out an individual for 'special treatment' it can tend to cause friction within the community. Some MVPs have pointed out that they couldn't really see the reason that Rory was asked - most MVPs work hard to earn their award, one of the (as I see it relatively few) perks is getting in on the undisclosed information at the summit, having a back-door to getting there does seem a little unfair on these people. Again, this is not an attack on anyone but Microsoft, if you're really going to build a community, transparency in the selection for your proclaimed 'community leaders' - which is how you want us to view MVPs now, right? - would be a good first step.

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# re: The morning after the night before...and please give the value back to the MVP label.

Hey, Scott -

"probably a few people if truth be told, just that Rory blabbed"

I found out last night that I definitely wasn't the only non-MVP there (as you indicate).

But, I also spoke to the "Powers that Be" and it seems that my blabbing was perfectly acceptable. They just wanted me to be clear about one thing:

I went under the RD program, and *not* as an MVP (RDs were totally allowed in (they're like MVPs (but different))).

At the end of the day, I still don't have access to the mailing lists/forums/product groups.

In other words, I was allowed to eat some MVP pizza and hang out with my friends (seeing friends was the main reason I went - seriously). The information? Well, my aims are a bit different than those of the MVPs. They've been awarded responsibilities and influence that I don't have, so the info wasn't very useful to me. Where they're active participants in the process, I was just a passive observer.

All in all, I still don't think this cheapens the MVP title (they really have many perks that I don't - I just went to the party), and I received *many* more letters from MVPs who felt that way than didn't (although this doesn't prove anything about whether it was "right" or how MVPs in general feel about it - just that the gut community reaction, albeit in private where people won't get nailed by their peers, was overwhelmingly positive).

I don't know. It's a weird thing.

I'd do it all over again, though (although I'd think twice about blogging it (not because I can't, but because it did seem to piss some people off)).

I should probably just shut up about this.

Have an entirely new set of (personal) problems to take the spot in my head reserved for freaking out, anyway.

Toodle-oo, man.. :)
4/13/2004 6:02 PM | Rory
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# re: The morning after the night before...and please give the value back to the MVP label.

Rory - the 'blabbed' thing wasn't a criticism, if anything I prefer that people are open about these things rather than being photographed dancing like a mad thing when no-one knew they were there ;-)
Also, my point was tying to be, not that you being there cheapeaned the MVP title - not at all, just that there's a lack of transparency about these things, there are some people (and I won't mention names because I'm a coward) who are MVPs seemingly for no reason - this is what I feel dilutes the potency of the MVP program.
I do feel that the MVP program is important - as I said, communities need leaders and the MVP program seems the only officially santioned source of the leader juice.
4/13/2004 6:20 PM | Scott Galloway
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